This is the my final response to a thread entitled “a very nice BOR clone” at Harmony Central Effects Forum just before it was mysteriously deleted. In this post, i laid out my reason for all that i view is wrong with some so-called pedal makers.
This is a complete rant. I am leaving it here because it’ll just get deleted if posted elsewhere and i believe that you need to know. Some of these guys are just gutless scums and this is where i will draw the line. They have gone too far and made this personal.
This is the my final response to a thread entitled “a very nice BOR clone” at Harmony Central Effects Forum just before it was mysteriously deleted. In this post, i laid out my reason for all that i view is wrong with some so-called pedal makers.
-Binh
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[QUOTE=zachary vex;28774645]Go to Page 5. My first post in this thread was directed at someone other than you who was making a false claim about me. You arrived as a concern troll, and subsequently claimed I started a discussion with you. I’ve seen you acting irrationally before, but not this badly. I’m sorry I can’t help you, Binh.[/QUOTE]
Let me state that i don’t need your help, whatever dubious help you are offering me. Thank you.
Second, i was referring to your incessant indication here and elsewhere that you know where people live and who they are. That’s just plain rude, and you need to stop. By stating you know where someone lives can construed as a threat. It’s none of your business and persistence in knowing these sort of personal information is unethical, unprofessional and possibly illegal.
For everyone who is reading this thread and wonder what all the fuss is about and why i am pissed off at zvex and company, here is my explanation.
First let me tell you that i have been at HCFX since 2001 and have accumulated probably over 15000 posts over that time, and i have seen a lot of the “boutique effects business” developed on the web. Thus I’m not a noob whose opinions were just formed yesterday. I used to go under the moniker “cow4prez” which you can search for.
It is quite simple but the explanation will need to be long.
I have always argued that there is nothing wrong with cloning circuits. Most circuits themselves are not patented and hence not illegal to reverse. This is what the “forbidden forum” does for all sorts circuits past, present and future. Second, a large segment of the industry is based on copying circuits. Third, look at the pedals you own. In all likelihood, you own a clone or a pedal modified from an existing circuit. I believe there is very little difference between copying a circuit and modifying it. To modify, you need to first copy. Zvex claims i spread lies. Interesting, as i think also zvex spreads lies and hypocrisy. How can you criticize cloning when you yourself have cloned. Zvex have openly admitted that he has broken open pedals to see how they work and that he owns a multitude of schematics that others have drawn up. I can attest to this fact, because i have read this from zvex himself here and elsewhere over 8 years.
I don’t hate zvex. He just annoys the shit out of me because he doesn’t have anything of substance to say with respect to the subject matter except to openly flame people who openly disagree him. Not only that, he will open personally insult you. This has never really bothered me as I have always found this tactic lowly and a desperate effort to summon support from naive parties. Now the some people have decided to turn this personal and have up the ante.
Here is a what zvex wrote to me one time
[QUOTE]I think you’re a 13-year-old ugly fat girl whose daddy died dropping out a hotel window in Prague while trying to get a cell signal.
And, you’ve got the cost of caps way down. Materials costs are jumping. Nothing you say makes any sense. You’re OBSESSED. And you do NOTHING.[/QUOTE]
i thought it was funny
Zvex and I got into it a while back at the gear page. I’ll leave to you to [URL="http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=375431"]read it[/URL] at your own leisure (now subsequently locked) . Yours truly insulted me and demanded my name and where i live. Hm, curious. He seemed to think i hide behind my username. In fact, this seems to be something of a trend with zvex as of late. I assure you this premise that i hide behind my username is incorrect and absurd.
Here’s a piece of tidbit for you all.
I came across [URL="http://www.hauntingmids.com/forum/index.php?topic=3033.0;highlight=super+velcroboy"]this thread at the haunting mids[/URL], which was started in response to the gear page thread above. Realize i don’t even read the haunting mids forum, except for this one time when i was there to post regarding the [URL="http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1975871"]Aramat Effects auction cancer fund[/URL] in which i was asked to due a swirl paint job for a green machine. While there i serendipitously ran into the above thread. Apparently, i am also a jackass for my unpopular opinions and zvex is a duck. Jeff seemingly has my back (thanks Jeff).
Realize that up until now it has been about fundamental disagreements over cloning. Hey that’s okay, it’s a disagreement :idk: until i read this from a pedal maker….
[QUOTE=Teh L33t Mumphort]Quote from: Teh L33t Mumphort!!!1!!!1!! on April 08, 2008, 08:02:25 AM
To me, it just reads like he has no social skills a lot of the time. The “tell us your name” thing sounds almost like a lawyer tactic– he has no argument, so he just uses something with no bearing on the discussion as if it’s the most important factor. Weird dude.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=telemaster][quote author=Telemaster link=topic=3033.msg54087#msg54087 date=1207660248]
[B][U][COLOR="Red"]Fact is most of us builders have Super Velcroboy’s home, work address etc.[/COLOR][/U][/B] He hides behind the internet anonymously. Seems like Vex is trying to point this out.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=uma floresta]I don’t know, I think anonymity is everyone’s right. The [B][U][COLOR="Red"]vast majority don’t of us don’t use our real names as our screen name.[/COLOR][/U][/B] I know JMinster made this argument during his famous escapades in this forum before slinking back to to TGP. He felt he was superior to us all in some way because his moniker includes his real name. I don’t get it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=telemaster]HA! Well man. Take it as flattery that he cared enough get in touch. When Lovepedal Sean and I started out we tagged ours zvex too. Devi did it too. Vex never said anything to me. I did apologize years later. No doubt he was off his handle, but he is probably sick of it.[/QUOTE]
i pretty much know who this telemaster pedalmaker guy is, but that’s not the point.
Fact is i have never bought a single pedal from these guys.
[B]Questions for the interested reader[/B]
1. How does telemaster know my home address and work address?
2. how many builders really know my personal and confidential addresses when i NEVER gave it away?
3. would one of these builders be zvex?
4. do builders share personal information about me and possibly their customers with each other?
5. why would zvex demand my name and personal information on a public forum?
6. why would the “vast majority of builders” care for my work address?
7. should i feel afraid for my personal information is known to these builders?
i don’t know that they do know and i don’t know if zvex is involved, but these are the questions i ask myself after reading this. Fact is, these words came out directly from a pedalmaker. No body forced a gun to his head.
Now let me ask you this.
[B][COLOR="Red"] Why can’t people such as telemaster and zvex respect my privacy?[/COLOR][/B]
My pedal theory is that one pedalmaker from whom i bought a pedal gave my personal information and shared it, assuming what telemaster said is true.
[U] Needless to say, that is just fucking wrong.[/U]
There isn’t much of an alternative interpretation.
A. You shared personal information when you had no right to it or
B. You don’t give a shit that you shared personal information with another builder
Realize that when you buy a pedal from them, your addresses and personal info are recorded.
[B] If they don’t respect my personal information, then you got to ask yourself — will respect yours?[/B]
This isn’t something i made up. It’s there for you to read and interpret for yourself. And i have a a copy of the threads if they get deleted. And they are on the google cache. It’s there.
All this over opinions.
That’s sad folks. The people you buy pedals are the real sad ones imo.
thanks for reading,
–Binh